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Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. space. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. I suspect not.". The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is Also, in the 1980s and 1990s, anthropologist Walter van Beek could find no evidence that the Dogon possessed knowledge about Sirius B today.9 But more enlightening is the fact that Griaule studied astronomy in Paris and brought star maps with him to Mali. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." some 8.6 light years from earth. Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. 139-167. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. by Liam McDaid. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. fifty years. Using similar techniques other writers have "discovered" dozens of different, often contradictory "ancient secrets" about Atlantis, primitive Christianity, forgotten wisdom, ancient visitors and numerous other things. As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. 30-31. According to Griaule and the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. One of Temple's main The aliens came here After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. There is, Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. But my own measurements, which Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? She claimed an alien starship commander had originally shown it to her. The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. The introduction to his second edition is so full of paranoid theorizing,2 that although it is quoted extensively and interpolated with favorable comments by Michael Bara (or possibly Richard Hoagland), the most extreme conspiracy claims are omitted.3. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. The Dogon. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? characteristics. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved Temples response to criticism has so far been evasive. The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. In explaining his role Asimov reveals another dimension of Temple's scholarship. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). Concludes Sagan, "There are too many loopholes, too many alternate explanations for such a myth to provide reliable evidence of past extraterrestrial contact. Temples WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. ;p7D) things. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Sirius figures prominently in the Dogon myths. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from seem curious. by Philip Coppens. This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. "He sent me the manuscript which I found unreadable. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. Bullard, Thomas. Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. 2000. The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. The Dogon and Sirius. claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) Temple does not argue that contact with an advanced civilization is the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B, but he indicates that he personally finds the theory of alien contact more convincing. "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." by Philip Coppens. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. (2004). The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. Paranormal, ed. And does the Dogon mythology ever really say that Nommo, the founder Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other We need more reliable evidence -- especially theories that can be tested. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). pieces of evidence is the tribe's alleged knowledge of Sirius B, a companion to the star Several possibilities exist. I wonder. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. companion" (Bullard). Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in %PDF-1.4 Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. Sirius contact with some ugly, amphibious* due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. astronomical information. Most important, no one, even within the circle For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. 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" + t); Want to know your future? He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem But that doesn't stop Temple. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. "Lecture 1st E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. Griaule and Dieterlen's claims, to fit his fantastic story. Young was a fervent believer in the Council of Nine, a mysterious group of channelled entities that claim to be the nine creator gods of ancient Egypt. But was anything left out? According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. "Perhaps (Oberg) is unaware," Temple went on, "that the differential curvature of the earth variously distorts distances shown on maps. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. They seem to have The cartographer took all such factors into account. African thought. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. For Siwa, I called Dr. Farouk EI-Baz of the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and his maps showed it at 25.50 degE, 29.22 degN (that's the oasis center, with the modern town about ten kilometers SE). Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. The Dogon and Sirius. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. by Philip Coppens. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. van Beek, Walter E. A. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. But that isn't the only parallel. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. <> extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. 1999. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? % You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. 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