In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." <<<<<<<<<<<. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. Crumb Eye. It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. WebSynopsis. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. This is simple. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. I actually had to look that up. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. andpleading with her to take off her mask? Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. Statanic mass? I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" Lets look at the basic plot of this film. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. 2. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. ME> Again. I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. Amazing. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" Please either stop orshape up. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? He didn't recognise her voice. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. And Milich was expecting him. So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. <<<<<<<<<<<>. or psychotherapists. I found them both disappointing. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. <<<<<<<<. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? Orgy? One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. ", "They were nutcases. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. Please either stop > or> shape up. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" Same voice. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. >>What else could he call it? We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? <<<<<<<<<<<<<. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? This is still a mystery. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. ",
