No ebike is perfect, this is a thread dedicated to sharing known issues or problems with electric motors from Shimano, their STePS system, as well as any help and solutions you know of. Overall it is a very refined system though. According to Shimano, design differences between Shimano and non-Shimano cranks cause the axle to crack and eventually fail. Overall the tuning adjustments are quite noticeable, though wed always recommend only adjusting one parameter at a time to isolate its effect on the trail. What this article says to me is that ebikes are no where never the level of refinement that I would require to give up a normal bike. Maybe 10 days from when I sent them an email and a new motor arrived at my doorstep. Thats given us plenty of saddle time to compare and contrast the new motor not only with E8000, but also with the latest Bosch Gen 4 motor and the Brose-manufactured 2.2 motor in the new Specialized Levo. On my older gen Bosch motor with a 500wh battery I can get about 30 miles out of a battery charge if I only turbo up the steepest climbs and do the other bits in low/mid power settings (and I'm about 100kg's / 16 stone which sucks battery). - Numerous battery options, both from Shimano & 3rd parties The updated Trail mode is brilliant, and the option to fine-tune each assist mode is a welcome feature for achieving the desired feel while maximising range. Wed much rather see battery life displayed as a percentage, and the option to customise the screen. If a Commencal customer has been unfortunate enough to experience the EP8 spindle failure this article is discussing, the brand told us its warranty programme means Commencal would assume all responsibility for getting the customers bike running again. The brand was made aware of failures occurring when the EP8 motor is used with pedal cranks made by brands other than Shimano, including e*thirteens e*spec ebike-specific cranks. People know you're not running some old E8000 or E7000 motor. My local rides average 30-35km with just under 1km of climb. it's been quite awhile and still no fix . LEARN MORE Latest stories View all stories When youre descending down the trail, the volume and resonance are amplified. I haven't had the privelage to ride any bosch equiped bikes or other shimano bikes but this thing is so quiet I think it would be hard to find another ebike motor that is more silent. The downside for Bosch is that its display options leave a lot to be desired. Can we get reviews this in depth for regular bikes? I run the previous version steps e8000 and I think it's brilliant. I'm 56 with a long term knee injury. Try to tackle crazy steep tech climbs. Power less, battery smaller, it lighter is.. Would "every time you push the on switch" have been more understandable? I like to see a dynamo recharging system when the bike starts to coast downhill. 2. Maximum Torque This allows you to limit the maximum torque, with 10 levels of adjustment from 20 Nm to 85 Nm. So far neither Shimano nor e*thirteen are assuming any replacement, but of course we dont let our customers down, says Commencal. The current spares situation is shocking, l've been waiting six weeks for a battery lock for my E8000 equipped Kona and have been told "June" is the earliest l can expect to see it. The version I've been riding on was 17,8kg. Is this a review for ants? The complaints of charge bars on the display and the bike starting without any assistance are non issues for me. You dont necessarily go further, but you will be riding and climbing faster. However the motor operation itself is fabulous, smooth, powerful, feels natural when you ride, you can cover ground like crazy in this thing. When we see failures like this, it is incumbent on us to find the root cause and, if it is within our control, provide a resolution, reads e*thirteens statement. Already have an account with us? You are not alone. Alex is also a dedicated eMTB rider, and still dabbles in racing of a sort, doing his best to top the Strava leaderboard on the steepest, gnarliest and twistiest trails the Tweed Valley has to offer just for fun, of course. My Bullit died after 80 miles - same symptoms you describe. In comparison, the MasterMind TCU display on the new Specialized Levo offers a significantly more customisable and overall user-friendly experience. e*thirteen cranks are commonly specced on electric mountain bikes fitted with Shimano EP8 motors, by bike brands including Commencal, Marin, Orange and Orbea, among others. Wowzers! Anyone knows what's are those white (ish) shoes the reviewer is using on some of the pics? This is particularly noticeable on traction-poor climbs, even when starting from a standstill. SHIMANO STEPS EP8 Left Switch Unit for Assist VIEW PRODUCT Cycle Computer SC-EM800 EP8 Cycle Computer VIEW PRODUCT SC-E5003 SHIMANO STEPS Cycle Computer with Assist Switch (SD300 port) VIEW PRODUCT Speed Sensor EW-SS302 Disc Brake Speed Sensor (SD300 type) VIEW PRODUCT EW-SS301 SHIMANO STEPS Disc Brake Speed Sensor for EW-SD300 VIEW PRODUCT These motors have Cadence sensors as well as torque sensors. Probably more than some rattle. Mine gets very hot. Start with a full battery, select the Trail mode, and see how far you can go before you run out of juice. However, where the Bosch Gen 4 feels like a diesel engine at low RPMs, the sporty EP8 drive unit still prefers spinning at a higher cadence. Thanks to lightweight magnesium components, Shimano has shaved off a cool 200g of weight making it one of the lightest electric bike motors on the market today. If you are disabled and need a motor on your bike in order to ride, I understand. A forum community dedicated to Mountain Bike owners and enthusiasts. - Strong but very well-tuned power delivery IMO we're still in the pilot phase and have a lot of room for improvement. Weve been living with the Shimano EP8 motor for six months now across three different bikes; the Merida eOne-Sixty, the Polygon Mt Bromo, and the Canyon Spectral:ON. Sometimes that means a DIY fix and other times it can mean a recall, software update or part replacement by a dealer. I've already posted this on the Commencal Meta SX Power thread, but wondered if other bikes with the Shimano EP8 motor and battery have seen a similar problem. Oh, how the humorous aspect of your comment has been missed. Can they make it swappable with a gear box? Good thing with Shimano is warranty,at least here in Madrid is almost instantaneous. A bit like chain slap when you don't apply force on the pedals. This, of course, is good news for Commencal customers with EP8 drive units and e*thirteen cranks, and were hopeful other brands will follow suit. Really? Aside from the sound of the clutch, everything else in the "CONS" list can be fixed with software updates. only one port which needs to be connected directly to the motor. Just imagine if i had bought a Shitmano Ebike. He started racing downhill at the tender age of 11 before going on to compete across Europe. e*thirteens analysis suggests that some Shimano EP8 spindles may have manufacturing defects which, over time, can develop into cracks with use and exposure to the elements, reads TSB 157. My brain constantly struggles with whether 2 bars remaining means I have 21% or 59%I would prefer a continuous power bar or percent. Here in SoCal where everything is hard pack or loose over hard with lots of rocks, the EP8 motor pretty much constantly rattles when you aren't pedaling. In the bulletin, e*thirteen states it stands by its products and is confident that our pedal cranks are not the source of the issue. The Kiox head unit has a nice colour screen with plenty of useful data on it, but were not sold on the magnetic attachment and the fact that the motor wont turn on without the head unit. Generally on bikes we spend so little time braking that regeneration would be a waste of effort. I feel like I've been missing out on so much! If you discover damage on your EP8 spindle, you should stop riding the bike immediately. We have shared the results with Shimano and select OEM customers. You've been subscribed to our newsletter. That is not the case, but all cranks should be checked for proper tightness before riding, and initial installations procedures should be updated, reads TSB 156. Any rider who owns an ebike with an EP8 motor fitted with e*thirteen cranks currently has two options. That rattling feeling comes from one way bearing. Also the bikes will be heavy as f*ck with an 820Wh battery. Additionally, Shimano produces a smaller and lighter 504Wh option, which is also cheaper and helps to bring the complete bike price down see the sub-$8K Polygon Mt Bromo N8 for example. Step 2 - Identify if preload caps have a pre-applied threadlocker patch and apply if necessary. The svelte motor casing provides more clearance for the rear wheel and suspension components, allowing brands to build their bikes with shorter chainstays. I swapped wheels but didn't realize I had to swap the magnet from the rotor bolts that was connected to the speed sensor in the software. Quote Start New Topic Post a reply to: SHIMANO EP8 - won't turn on (new bike) Its clear why this motor is becoming popular with so many bike brands, given the flexibility it offers frame designers, particularly with the variety of battery options on offer. If I pull the E-trigger, it'll still be a Levo SL now that S has worked through the issues. Funny that Shimano now budget e-bike motor builds? These findings are the result of an independently commissioned investigation by e*thirteen, after the brand became aware of reports that EP8 spindles were failing on bikes fitted with its ebike cranks. All bikes [have been] assembled with Shimano cranks since 2021 April.. In fact, we found ourselves tuning it out completely a couple of rides later. What settings you end up will depend on your personal riding style, and your expectations of range and power output. I tested a few Merida bikes with Shimano motor and they have some bugs in first versions,quite annoying stupid things force you to reset the bike sometimes. Theres still a whirring noise from the metallic gears inside, and the pitch increases slightly at higher cadences. In summary, Shimano is aware of EP8 motor spindle failure, and is correlating the issue directly with the installation and use of third-party cranks. At full charge in Trail mode it says range is 90km or so but I haven't put that to the test on more mellow trail days but am sure others have. Bikes sent in for testing are usually carefully prepared by brands to pick up any assembly issues, and then are checked before testing by in-house mechanics or the testers themselves. These combinations meet our strict and exacting quality standards. But even then it is still quieter than my saddle bag bouncing around. Some claim it's a dangerous motor that suffers spindle failures. This adjustment has the biggest impact on the motors performance and your total range. Save 30% + G-Form Pro X3 Knee Pads when you subscribe to MBUK magazine. Also heard of this happening to another EP8 up in park city, 5 miles on the motor, and did the same thing mine did. A kilometre later that estimation dropped to 14km, then not long after to 9km, then to 5km, before the motor automatically switched into emergency limp home mode. Unfortunately frenchies and Germans are not masters of marketing. While midly annoying, it only takes a couple button presses to get back to get an 800% stabbing strength increase! We will have them soon available in all our subsidiaries (Canada, USA, Chile, Australia, NZ and Reunion Island) to reach all our customers worldwide.. Durability and ease of maintenence is far more important than power in my world. It is the most underrated comment ever on the pinkbike. This BT-8036 battery only needs a 4mm hex key to be released from the frame for charging separately, which is unlike Bosch that requires a special key (potentially something else to lose/forget). Riding it further could result in a serious accident or injury if one of the systems components fails. Same with brose 2.1 & their motor failures. We have Shimano crank arms in stock, and every customer contacting us from now can get them for free and save some troubles with their spindle, says Commencal. So this one article, about this one e-bike, says to you that ALL e-bikes lack refinement and therefore aren't worthy of you gracing them with your holy ass? Now well point out here that the Bosch Gen 4 motor exhibits a similar metallic clacking noise, since its internal gear system also employs a clutch. If youre sprinting at speed, the Levo feels sticky and lazy in comparison to the drag-free EP8 motor. Its easy to modulate via how much pressure youre putting through the cranks and the power delivery is progressive, giving it a very natural feel as a result. Chuckle. As mentioned earlier, the Bosch motor does feel punchier than Shimano EP8, with noticeably stronger support at lower cadences. Shimano also claims this issue is. What a misstep by Shimano to join Bosch in its failure. Shimano advises that only approved crank arms should be used with its DU-EP8 drive units, reads Shimanos statement. I mean, one of the most beautiful things about the bicycle is how efficient and capable it is of traveling long distances under our own power. Our advice is not to rely on the range estimation in the first place. There are a lot of factors that influence range including rider weight, tyre choice, trail conditions, and elevation. Smaller:Compared to the previous model, the EP8's volume has been reduced. Why don't you just make 10 be the top number and make that fully charged? Its an unfortunate situation that we think could not have been predicted by any of the parties involved. All I could find is that bike manufacturers are to hold off selling the EP8 until Oct/Nov while they addresses some final issues. That rattle would drive me bonkers. And just read any car review of the blend between regenerative braking and hydraulic, then decide whether you want a computer deciding to regen as you roll off a drop regen braking is pretty much impossible on an ebike as it requires the use of a direct drive motor. And that's with the big heavy battery too. However, when coasting on rough terrain the unloaded system can exhibit a normal clicking sound that may be detectable to the rider. Overall its a vastly neater execution compared to the likes of Bosch and Yamaha with their Kinder Surprise-style switch units. The only Shimano-approved pedal cranks listed on Shimanos website are the FC-EM600, FC-M8150 and FC-EM900, all of which are available to buy aftermarket from various retailers. When the motor applies torque it pushes in one direction and closes the gap, when there is no torque the ring can rock a little. For commercial info: info@eplus.bike. The issue, we've been told, is that the motor body is subject to cracking when the drive is employed as a stressed part of the bike's frame. I love the progression of Ebikes! Couldn't agree more. Appreciate the level of detail in this article, good work. It's a similar level of feeling to Gen. I think we lost grit when we all got smart phones. My take away besides the obviously pro/con talking points was the weight of the bike. Basically, the battery level drops from around 30% to 2% extremely quickly. All e-Bike assist mode gets disabled during the downhill slopes. This means its impossible to tell whether you have 21% or 49% battery remaining. First revealed to the world in September of last year, Shimano EP8 finally arrived on the e-MTB scene as the successor to the very popular Shimano E8000 motor. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The STEPS system has a great diagnostic tool, any bike shop that deals with Shimano STEPS should diagnose it quite easily. Stab happy!". Commencal which has sold a number of its Meta Power electric bikeswith an EP8 motor and e*thirteen crank combination replied to our inquiries. You can't call an e-bike rider lazy when they try to overtake you making this sound. The EP8 RS engine is physically the same as the . Can never hear it over the sound of the wind rushing by or the trail / wheels noises. The most prominent reports of EP8 axle failure exist on two EMTB forum threads. Rattling and lack of update to the battery monitoring is a no go for me, I would just upgrade the battery to the new 620s if i could fit it. However, all are fitted with Shimano cranks. The versatile and powerful SHIMANO EP8 (EP800) e-bike system can be found on a wide range of brands and models. But yeah, different people. Make it 100 mile range, and I'm in. When we make fun of others, its because we are not happy w ourselves. Absolutely. This occurs if the cap is not correctly tightened or the factory-fitted threadlock hasnt been adequately applied, and if the crank arms pinch bolts arent tightened to their correct torque. What's your experience on this? Also worth noting is that you can create two riding profiles, which you can alternate between via the menu and push-button on the display. I also got it second hand as I just can't afford new. Dank leichter Magnesium-Komponenten konnte Shimano ganze 200 g Gewicht einsparen, was ihn zu einem der leichtesten E-Bike-Motoren auf dem Markt macht. What would happen if a consumer noticed their axle was cracked in the way described on e*thirteens TSB? Sign in to manage your newsletter preferences. Shimanos overarching advice is for consumers to only use Shimano-approved pedal cranks on its EP8 motors. I've spent some time on this motor and it's one of the first to feel organic in the way it adjusts to the rider's pedaling. This data covers comprehensive third party metallurgical analysis in addition to results from a rigorous test battery of corrosion testing combined with ISO Fatigue. Though the new EP8 motor is claimed to be more efficient than its predecessor, there is of course more power too. Another bike that features Shimano EP8 is the new Orbea Rise. So, when the sensor senses a negative elevation gain, the dynamo kicks in to recharge the battery. What is Shimanos take on e*thirteens metallurgic analysis findings? No mention on the worldwide recall of the motor due to issues? Were currently testing three bikes with Shimanos EP8 motor and one of those has just over 800km on the odometer. Where the EP8 motorisnt quieter than its predecessor however, is when youre not pedalling. e*thirteen recommends inspecting Shimano EP8 motor spindles to ensure no cracks are present before riding any EP8 equipped bike again and in doing so have provided a step by step process for doing this with images and instructions below. It also responds a fraction quicker at the pedals, and delivers more overrun power when ratcheting the pedals over technical features up a climb. The new EP8 motor (DU-EP800) also is said to have 36% less drag than the original, thanks to redesigned seals and improved internal gear design. There is zero stickiness at the pedals that we could detect. Cargo Take the load off and breeze past traffic jams Commuting Upgrade your urban lifestyle Active Get sportier in the city SHIMANO CUES Di2 Our all-new SHIMANO CUES Di2 inspires a more active and sportier lifestyle while making commutes less stressful so you can focus on the road - and the ride. Total power isnt quite as brutish as Bosch and Brose, but the real beauty about EP8 is that it retains the smooth and intuitive performance that we loved about the old motor. And compared to E8000, the new EP8 motor is considerably more powerful on the trail, whilst retaining the smooth and intuitive delivery that weve always dug about Shimanos drive units. Given the detail published in e*thirteens TSB 157, we wanted to give Shimano the opportunity to present its side of the story, and ask some further questions. The new motor, called EP8, is 10 percent smaller and is a lot lighter. @tomdesoals: Yeah, I get that now that bikes have become more silent anything new that makes noise can become annoying. But it is not anywhere near the same engine in everything else. The actual mechanism works well but is very easy to break, just turn the allen key the wrong way by mistake..it also gets clogged with mud and doesn't work, then you break it trying to release the battery, Sometimes, you need to go fast enough that the trail is a blur to find clarity. Furthermore, having the battery life displayed as five bars is positively rudimentary. While the EP8s performance on the climbs is generally excellent, we have occasionally wished for a little more overrun for clearing technical features. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A dynamo and regenerative braking is the ONLY thing stopping from buying an e-bike? February 22, 2021. 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